Showing posts with label Leeds Planning Objections. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Leeds Planning Objections. Show all posts

Tuesday, 28 October 2014

Leeds Trolleybus Enquiry Day 68


Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry

Day 68


Thursday 23rd October 2014

In morning session of Day 68 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Thursday 23rd October 2014, representatives from Leeds City Council, NGT, First West Yorkshire and the North West Leeds Transport Forum as well as local residents discuss the proposed Deemed Planning Permissions around the trolleybus scheme.


In afternoon session of Day 68 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Thursday 23rd October 2014, representatives from Leeds City Council, NGT, First West Yorkshire and the North West Leeds Transport Forum as well as local residents continue to discuss the proposed Deemed Planning Permissions around the trolleybus scheme


Sunday, 19 October 2014

Leeds Trolleybus Enquiry Day 64


Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry

Day 64


Thursday 16th October 2014


The first morning session of Day 64 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Thursday 16th October 2014, Mr John Brooks gives his statement of case and is examined by Gregory Jones QC for First West Yorkshire. 
Due to the extreme quietness with which this witness spoke it has been necessary to make numerous level adjustments in order to improve audibility.


In the late morning session of Day 64 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Thursday 16th October 2014, Gregory Jones QC  concludes his examination of Mr John Brooks for First West Yorkshire.
A short adjournment was taken a few minutes into this session which I have represented with a two second gap joining the two segments into one.
Due to the extreme quietness with which this witness spoke it has been necessary to make numerous level adjustments in order to improve audibility.

 

In the early afternoons session of Day 64 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Thursday 16th October 2014, Neil Cameron QC commences his examination of Mr John Brooks.



Due to the extreme quietness with which this witness spoke it has been necessary to make numerous level adjustments in order to improve audibility.

In the late afternoon session of Day 64 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Thursday 16th October 2014, Neil Cameron QC cross examines Mr John Brooks.
Due to the extreme quietness with which this witness spoke it has been necessary to make numerous level adjustments in order to improve audibility.


Monday, 6 October 2014

Leeds Trolleybus Enquiry Day 55


Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry

Day 55


Thursday 2nd October 2014

Links to the audio recordings from Day 55.
 
In the first morning session of Day 55 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Thursday October 2014, Mr Jeff Fawcett gives the case on behalf of Adel and Wharfedale Labour Part.  This if followed by cases from Mr John Crawley on questions around Burton Crescent and Janet Matthews a qualified accountant on the public expenditure involved. There is some examination by Mr Walton for the Applicant NGT and by the Inspector.

In the late morning session of Day 55 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Thursday October 2014, Lorraine Nelis, tenant of the fields on Headingley Hill and Mr Ian Simpson both give their cases for objection to the NGT scheme and there is some examination from counsel for the Applicant and the Inspector.

In the early afternoon session of Day 55 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Thursday October 2014 , cases for objection are given by Mr Alan Haigh, and by Mr George Geapin who concentrates on electric installation issues of the trolleybus system.

In the late afternoon session of Day 55 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Thursday 3rd October 2014, Mr George Geapin is examined by the Inspector.

Wednesday, 24 September 2014

Leeds Trolleybus Enquiry Day 49


Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry

Day 49




Tuesday 23 September 2014


Here are the links to the audio recordings for Day 49 of the Trolleybus Enquiry.  We are now getting into the Objectors and the pace is changing up a gear somewhat after the slow wearing away of the examination of the NGT witnesses over the last 48 days.

In the first morning session of Day 49 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, 23rd Sept 2014, Deborah Fahey of the Whitfields Against The Trolleybus group gives her evidence against the NGT scheme and is examined by Mr Walton for the Applicant and the Inspector, Mr Martin Whitehead.

In the late morning session of Day 49 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, 23rd Sept 2014, Professor Christopher Todd gives his statement of case in objection to the proposed NGT scheme and is examined by Mr Walton for the Applicant and then by the Inspector Mr Martin Whitehead.  Ms Elizabeth Reather for Leeds Cycle Action begins but is deferred to after the lunch break for circulation of documents.

In the early afternoon session of Day 49 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, 23rd Sept 2014, Ms Elizabeth Reather, on behalf of Leeds Cycle Action, gives their case for objection to the NGT scheme and is then examined by Neil Cameron QC and the Inspector, Mr Martin Whitehead. Following this Mrs Christine Perry gives evidence on behalf of Mrs Betty Claughton, a resident of West Park who would stand to lose part of her front garden to the road widening proposed by the scheme.  Questions follow from Mr Walton and the Inspector.


In the late afternoon session of Day 49 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, 23rd Sept 2014, evidence is given by Mr Doug Kemp on behalf of Mrs Bell, a resident of West Park whose property would be affected by the required works for the scheme, Ms Emma Stewart who amongst other concerns addresses disable access issues and Mr Ken Torode, a local resident who addresses discrimination against elderly passengers’ access to the scheme.  There is some cross examination by counsel for the Applicant.

Sunday, 7 September 2014

Leeds Trolleybus Enquiry Day 42


Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry

Day 42


Wed 3 September 2014

On Day 42 of the Public Enquiry we got deep under the bonnet of the NGT scheme.  Mr Chris Cheek, a specialist consultant for First Bus was on the stand all day, first with the completion of his examination by Gregory Jones QC for First Bus and in the afternoon by Neil Cameron QC for the Applicant NGT.

Audio recordings of all the day’s sessions are linked here and commentary follows below.

In the first morning session of Day 42 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry Wednesday 3rd September 2014 Gregory Jones continues to examine Mr Chris Cheek, expert witness for First West Yorkshire on the viability of the NGT trolleybus proposals.

In the late morning session of Day 42 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry Wednesday 3rd September 2014 Gregory Jones concludes his  examination of Mr Chris Cheek, expert witness for First West Yorkshire on the viability of the NGT trolleybus proposals.

In the early afternoon session of Day 42 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry Wednesday 3rd September 2014 Neil Cameron QC commences his examination of Mr Chris Cheek, expert witness for First West Yorkshire on the viability of the NGT trolleybus proposals.

In the late afternoon session of Day 42 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry Wednesday 3rd September 2014 Neil Cameron QC continues to examine Mr Chris Cheek, expert witness for First West Yorkshire on the viability of the NGT trolleybus proposals.
This was a fascinating and extremely in depth analysis which we were shown today. 

I’ve made copious notes on the cross examinations which I shall have to seriously condense if I am to prevent this from getting too long!

In short, for the first half of the day Mr Cheek continued to take the opportunity to cast serious doubts upon the NGT proposals.

He detailed a series of shortcomings demonstrated for trolleybuses in general shown in the Price Waterhouse report on the Wellington trolleybus system, which is now to be replaced.

High cost of supply of right hand drive vehicles, high maintenance costs of both vehicles and overhead cables were shown to be problematic.  Where such systems had an abundant hydro electric supply, as in Canada, or where there is an existing system, he acknowledged that there could be value in retaining them.  But with the continuous advances in hybrid and battery bus technology, it would be risky and inflexible to introduce a trolley system in Leeds.  Also because it would be the only system in the whole of the UK, there would be a strong probability of difficulties with maintenance supplies and low volume costs.  The installation of a ‘micro-fleet’ of trolleybuses was a serious weakness.

The potential for nightmare congestion in the event of breakdown or accident was identified by Mr Cheek with respect to articulated trolleybuses and said that the industry view on articulated buses had changed considerably in the last decade and that most operators would be unlikely to renew a fleet of ‘bendy buses’ since problems had been identified, chief amongst which were preference among passengers for having a seat as opposed to standing.  They might be suitable on long wide roads, but the narrow old world streets of North Leeds were not suitable.  Hence he also identified that the scheme was poor value for money due to the fact that so much needed to be spent on infrastructure to make it function.

Simply put, as a layperson it is clear to me that Metro is attempting to shoehorn NGT into a shoe which is too small.  I am reminded of the fairy tale of Cinderella when the Prince came with the glass slipper and her sisters tried to squeeze their own large feet into it, and if I recall correctly some of the more gruesome versions of the tale have the sisters cutting off their toes or their heels in order to be able to get their feet into it.  This is an apt metaphor when you think that Leeds City Council would sacrifice some of the finest and most mature heritage in order to fit in this inappropriate system.  The only difference being, that we do not want to cut off any part of our community in order to be able to shoehorn the trolleybus into our streets, but would have it imposed without consent, fitting the established community to the newcomer, not adapting that to the established conditions.

The assault on the NGT proposals continued with a lengthy analysis of the Stated Preference (SP) test which the Promoter used to justify their choice for a trolleybus.  Mr Cheek was scathing about their methodology.  Regular listeners will recall that Professor Bonsall made a very detailed and lengthy examination of Mr Chadwick over this when examining the business case.  Mr Cheek drew attention to the unrealistic, and I would say, biased, nature of the test methodology in showing a bus which went out of service in 1990 (which would have been in service 1970-1990) against a brand spanking new bus.   Apparently it had been agreed that this survey should have been redone, but it was not, because, as Mr Chadwick said, it was considered a disproportionate expenditure. 

In view of this, Mr Cheek suggested that in respect of the fact that £10million had already been spent, and that potentially £250million might be, a few thousand or even tens of thousands of pounds would have been money well spent if it clarified the likely preferences and demand from the travelling customers upon whom the success of the project relies.

This was a lengthy examination, but it was vital to clearly demonstrate the atrocious methodology in order to fully rid us of any belief in the assumptions of the SP test or the notion that they could provide a valid model, and fully hammer the nails into its coffin lid.  Mr Cheek went so far as to say that the assumption of these bus comparisons was ‘Not a credible assumption.  Not a remotely credible assumption.’  The gap shown in the survey would simply not exist.  ‘It is completely false and the idea that that gap will remain in force for 30 years…. Words fail me.’

Having listened to quite some few hours of examination on the subject of this SP test, which if I recall correctly, even by their own criteria did not prove a clear preference for trolleybuses, it seems fairly clear to me that the basis on which this test was made is a total fantasy.  I have some experience of the scientific method from my degree, and it is obvious to anyone with scientific training, and indeed any sensible layperson of average intelligence, that the kind of comparisons that were used are bordering on the scientifically fraudulent, or, to be kind, at least incompetent.

The onslaught continued with Mr Cheek stating that NGT had exaggerated their assumptions and thereby produced unreliable and speculative data which could not be supported by actual evidence, again bringing the methodology into question.

A particularly sharp accusation he made was that Metro wanted to regain control of public transport and that the TWAO was their means to gain this legal control, so that a trolleybus system had been necessary since now that the tram had been dropped, it was the only legal way to do so.  I know for a fact that Dave Haskins, Project Director of NGT said about two years ago, that Metro was ‘up for it’, when it came to regaining complete control of public transport in West Yorkshire.  So, the trolleybus has been chosen not because it is the best solution, but because it gives the political power to the local authority to get into the public transport game, at least in Mr Cheek’s view, and I am inclined to believe him.  Why else would such a problematic and expensive system be chosen?

We have seen, again and again, that the Applicant failed to make proper consultations with local residents who would be affected (eg, Thursday 17th July late afternoon session)
http://www.mixcloud.com/CosmicClaire/leeds-trolleybus-public-enquiry-day-35-july-17-2014-late-afternoon-session/ 
or that, as I believe I clearly demonstrated in my own cross examination of Mr Thomas Walker earlier that afternoon, the photomontages have been purposely doctored to suggest more positive connotations to the trolleybus.  I would myself, as a qualified Art Therapist with a training in the scientific method, would suggest that this amounts to falsifying evidence, and we are perilously close that that scientific sin with the deeply flawed SP test.

Again and again, Mr Cheek highlighted the extremely risky nature of the proposals.

When it came to cross examination by Neil Cameron QC it would seem that he worked very hard to demonstrate that the demographics not only could work, but that they supported the scheme.  There were problems with the data in that First has been reluctant to disclose its passenger data on the basis that it would be commercially sensitive, and so the results of their own forecasts could not be properly substantiated, but I have to admit, that while I am confident with the standards required for good scientific method, this advanced statistical section left me with my eyes glazing over as a fog descended on my brain.  As Disraeli so famously said ‘There are lies, damned lies and statistics’.

It may be that some of the statistics claimed by NGT on demographics are sound, but even if the available population which might use the trolleybus is correctly estimated, all the other problems remain.  And those demographics must be questioned as Mr Cheek did with the claims that users of Burley Park station would walk (mostly uphill) to NGT stops rather than use the train as they have previously done. 

Simply for Mr Cameron to rely on the fact that the scheme has reached the point that it has and argue that all the requirements set by the DfT are thus likely to have been met is not really sound in my own view, but rather a legalistic view which seeks to avoid taking account of the many practical realities (of which I have not exhausted the list, so I would urge listeners to catch his two morning sessions) and just force it through on formalities.

A brief attempt at scraping the barrel occurred when the objection to the visual pollution of the overhead wires came up.  When asked of his qualifications to make this judgement, Mr Cheek replied ‘I know what I like’.  And so do most people.  But Mr Cameron asked if he had any qualifications to make this judgement, which I found somewhere between amusing and laughable.  Simply put, most people don’t like the prospect of overhead cables.  It is an acknowledged downside of trolleybuses, and yet his judgement that they were unsightly visual pollution was called into question.  Well, I myself am qualified in the subject of visual perception and aesthetics, and I can say confidently that the intrusion of overhead cables is unaesthetic for various reasons such as impeding open views of trees, sky and local architecture.  That it creates a feeling of confinement and even probably claustrophobia in some sensitive people.  That frankly it is obvious and that anyone who calls such a view into question should have themselves questioned as to why they believe so.  I am reminded of Mr Haskins, who apparently likes standing on buses, likes maps with North pointing to five o’clock, and who apparently prefers cloudy winter skies and bare trees to blue skies and trees in full summer leaf.

The obligatory attempt to cast aspersions on the motivations behind First’s objection of course had to be endured.  The end to a long exchange was simply that in Mr Cheek’s view it is ‘Not a good scheme’.

If you can find the time to listen I can highly recommend an absorbing few hours.  The difficult bit on demographics was in the early afternoon session mostly, and if anyone wants to comment on this I should be interested.  However, in the light of all the clearly demonstrated, and frankly, obvious, downsides and risks to the trolleybus scheme, I would bear Mr Disraeli’s opinion in mind and treat that argument with a generous measure of caution.

Wednesday, 3 September 2014

Leeds Trolleybus Enquiry Day 41


Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry

Day 41

 Tuesday 2nd September 2014

The Enquiry resumed today after the summer break.  The greater part of the day was taken up with the completion of the examination of Mr Steve Speak on the matter of planning issues around the NGT proposals.  When that had been completed the final session was given over to the first witness for the Objectors, Mr Chris Cheek, a gentleman with a lifetime’s experience working in transport, who presented his evidence in chief.

Audio recordings  of all five of today’s sessions are linked below and I follow with this with some commentary on both the day’s proceedings and other matters around the trolleybus proposals and enquiry.


In the first morning session of the Day 41 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Tuesday 2nd September 2014, the Enquiry resumes after the summer break with Gregory Jones QC, for First (Bus) West Yorkshire cross examining Mr Steve Speak who is representing Leeds City Council on Planning matters concerning the NGT trolleybus proposals.

In the late morning session of Day 41 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Tuesday 2nd September 2014 Gregory Jones QC continues to cross examine Mr Steve Speak on Planning considerations regarding the NGT scheme, in this session concentrating on planning guidelines around heritage assets and damage to them.


In the early afternoon session of Day 41 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Tuesday 2nd September 2014 Gregory Jones QC concludes his cross examination of Mr Steve Speak on Planning considerations regarding the NGT scheme.

In the brief mid afternoon session of Day 41 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry Mr Steve Speak concludes his session as witness when he is re-examined by Neil Cameron QC for the Applicant NGT.


In the late afternoon session of Day 41 of the Leeds  Trolleybus Public Enquiry, Public Transport expert Mr Cheek gives his evidence in chief for First West Yorkshire and is then cross examined by Gregory Jones QC.


Today dealt with a lot of technical detail about planning policy such as Core Strategy, the Unitary Development Plan and how the Heritage policies affected the preservation of heritage along the route.

It took a little while to work into the detail and implications of these, so the reader may wish to get the detail from the recordings, but there were several points which I picked out which seemed problematic for the Applicant.

These not only clustered around conflicts with established policies and so forth, but I would suggest that the credibility of the witness was to some extent brought into question.

For instance, Mr Speak didn’t know that the ‘Stated Preference Test’ had produced a result of ‘no stated preference for tbus’.  He couldn’t recall being told this or not by his team.  One would have thought that a planner responsible for overseeing a scheme like this would at least have looked at the passenger preferences and how they might factor into the viability of the proposals, but apparently not.

A similar shortcoming was apparent with regard to the harm that Mr Philip Ward (Heritage) had admitted would be caused to listed structures, and which was against the National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF) guidelines which recognised statutory protection for listed buildings.  He was obliged to consider the conflict with Heritage policies in UDP but had to admit that he hasn’t carried out a review of that conflict.

Again and again from Mr Speak we have heard how he likes to take everything ‘in the round’ or with a ‘rounded view’.  This seems to be his stock fall back phrase, just as previous witnesses have repeatedly ‘taken a view’ (I think that was Mr Hanson) or ‘made the judgement that’ (Mr Haskins if I recall correctly).  He seems to constantly want to stand back and look at The Big Picture and not be concerned with the details, the contraventions of guidelines, agreed policies on heritage and the like.

This has consistently been a characteristic of the NGT case, in which the proponents have deviated from WebTAG guidance for instance (Mr Hanson again) but in no way will acknowledge that this is an improper way to proceed.

A little debate that blew for a while between Mr Jones and Mr Speak was about the question of whether NGT could really be considered ‘rapid transport’ as it tries to portray itself.  One admires the research team who winkle out such details as the fact that in August 2013, just a year ago (when the scheme was already in the pipeline for a TWAO application), the word ‘fast’ was removed from the ‘vision statement for NGT’ by Chairman of Metro Kieran Preston.

If the chief executive of Metro finds it necessary to remove such an important word as ‘fast’ then one might assume that the word ‘rapid’ would also be inapplicable, being synonyms.

Mr Speak tried to insist that despite not being fast it was, nonetheless ‘rapid’; however, it wouldn’t need the scalpel like precision of Mr Jones’s analytic technique to see that while the ‘Vision’ document claimed that it may be ‘key to create a Rapid Transport system’ (in their view) nonetheless even that document did not claim that it was a ‘rapid’ system itself.  In other words, the document put it forward as part of a jigsaw, rather than the whole picture when it came to a rapid transport system.

This touched on the issue of interconnectivity, which was discussed in more detail by Mr Cheek later.  However, Mr Speak was reluctant to acknowledge what seemed as plain as a pikestaff, that something which might contribute to an overall rapid transport system but which was not ‘fast’ could neither be ‘rapid’ either.

As to whether the overall system would end up being rapid ~ well you would need to have it integrated systematically into the other transport systems (buses, train stations) in Leeds for that to work, especially as the trolleybus itself would not be ‘fast’ ~ Mr Cheek in his evidence in chief pointed out that although interconnectivity has been a concept which has been floated since the late 1970s, nonetheless, NGT had given no evidence that they had actually done any work on making their system interconnective. 

In other words, if I may be so bold, it would seem to me that the ‘Vision’ that the trolleybus would be part of a ‘rapid transport system’ was a load of spin that they had no intention of making any attempt at actualising.  One is reminded also of the fact that great store has been placed on the separateness of the NGT system from others, especially buses which it would not share the same stops with, and so would be distinctly uninterconnective.

Along the way he had managed to claim that congestion on the A660 would only get worse if NGT was not implemented, while it has actually been admitted earlier that it would probably create more congestion as a result of priority lanes and ‘traffic stacking’.

One last point which came up before Mr Speak’s examination was over, was among a short series of questions put by the Inspector, Mr Whitehead.  He asked whether the witness had taken into account that Monument Moor was the start of the famous Dales Way, an ancient pathway.  Mr Speak was apparently unaware of this, and it was clear from the Inspector that he considered that he should have been.

I am sure that this will be gratifying to Mr Bill McKinnon and the Friends of Woodhouse Moor, whom he has represented at the enquiry, since he has drawn a lot of attention to Monument Moor, which has been shamefully neglected by Leeds City Council over the years, in what one might suspect is a cynical ploy to reduce the value of this historic piece of land in the eyes of local citizens order to make it easier for them to take part of it for a trolleybus lane.

Moving on to the evidence in chief of Mr Chris Cheek for First West Yorkshire, you will find the expert testimony of a gentleman who has spent his whole adult working life engaged with transport issues.  He has sat behind Mr Jones for most of the enquiry so far and has clearly had his mind well focussed on the issues.

He brought into question just about every aspect of the NGT scheme that I could think of.  Most particularly he asserted that the passenger estimates were not realistic.  I am reminded of how we were told some while back one of the witnesses had said that the passenger journey estimates for the original scheme, that included a route to St James’s and Seacroft, which had been in the region of six or seven million per annum had roughly been doubled to about twelve million or so when the eastern spurs had been dropped.  I may only be a layperson, but my maths is good enough to know that  something there doesn’t add up.  And Mr Cheek seemed to think that estimates of such matters had been exaggerated.

Moving on to the logistics of implementation, it would be ‘cumbersome’ and immensely expensive to introduce the infrastructure, and we were reminded that the introduction of further routes would each require a TWAO before they could be implemented (the spectre of further public enquiries loomed over the chamber), while a new bus route or service could be put in place at 56 days notice.  He brought attention to the fact that bus services such as the 28 and 97 might not be able to survive and so the residents of Weetwood and Adel could be without a bus, or at least suffer reduced frequency of service.

Again and again the flimsy justifications of the NGT consultants were brought down, as Mr Cheek identified that scores of trolleybus schemes around the world were being closed, and even such places as Wellington (longest running trolleybus system in the world) were abandoning them.  The ‘visual pollution’ of the overhead lines was even being reviewed by Geneva, who are about to trial more flexible quick charging buses.

If you want to know more about why the tide is turning away from trolleybuses you could do worse than listen to the final session of today’s recordings.

While on the subject of the recordings, I should say that there may be slight delays in the posting of these important documents over the next few weeks, which without disclosing the trade secrets as to how we make them, I will simply say is down to the logistics of the matter.  However, our dedicated team of Objectors are determined to take down every word that is uttered at the Public Enquiry, or at least as near as is humanly possible, and we shall get them posted on the mixcloud site as quickly as we can.

As the value of these recordings becomes ever greater, I have heard many objectors say how disgraceful it is that neither NGT nor the Council have made any effort to compile a public record, and we are astonished that the Inspector does not have a secretary or stenographer to make a written record.  Neither is there any reporter from the media routinely assigned to even make a prĂ©cis for public consumption.  In the event, the Objectors' recordings, which I have the privilege to manage, are the only document of all this on the public record.  This behaviour on the part of Metro and LCC would seem to me to be an attempt to stifle awareness of these important proceedings.  However, the powers that like to think they are cannot stifle the truth in the information age.

Well there is a lot more I could add about yesterday’s proceedings and the ongoing campaign to stop the trolleybus but I have probably written enough for today so I shall leave you until the next time.

Wednesday, 23 July 2014

Leeds Trolleybus Enquiry Day 39


Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry
Day 39


Here are the links to the audio recordings of Day 39 of the Trolleybus Enquiry.  I think this may have been the longest day in the Enquiry so far, sitting from 9.30 to almost a quarter to six in the evening with only an hour for lunch and two quarter hour tea breaks.

There has been quite a lot of pressure on to get in all the witnesses  who have been timetabled and Day 40, Thursday 24th July 2014 is only scheduled to run until lunchtime so I hope it can all be squeezed in.

I will add a longer commentary later.

Remember that you can help to back up the archive if you download the audio recordings from




In the first morning session of Day 39 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry Mr Cameron gives his verbal response to the letters that have been generated in reply to the submission of the additional 370 page Heritage document some weeks ago.  This is followed by the Inspector’s deliberations and Mr Jones for First.


In the late morning session of Day 39 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry 23 July 2014 Mr Stuart Natkus cross examines Mr Speak on Planning issues for his clients who are statutory objectors and is followed by Mr Chris Foren for the A660 Joint Council.


In the early afternoon session of Day 39 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry 23 July 2014 Mr Chris Foren for the A660 Joint Council completes his examination of Mr Speak on Planning issues and is followed by Ms Dawn Carey Jones for the South Headingley Community Association.


In the late afternoon session of Day 39 of the Leeds Trolleybus Public Enquiry 23 July 2014 Neil Cameron QC re-examines Mr Speak and is then followed by Gregory Jones QC who picks up his cross examination of Mr Neil Chadwick on the business case for the proposed NGT system.